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#14 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

Luiskelele — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:47:33 +0000

#8 #10 y blancanieves? 7 tios feos y desaliñados le salvan la vida y le dan cobijo, pero se conformarán con una buena palmadits en la espalda mientras se zumba al principe

» autor: Luiskelele

#13 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

meneandro — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:03:55 +0000

#1 #3 #5 #12 El caso de los nativos americanos parece bastante peliagudo por aquella parte de las américas, están bastante sensiblones y son muy muy cuidadosos y respetuosos hasta el buenrollismo más falso e hipócrita... hace un par de años hubo polémica con los índios de los logos del servidor web cherokee-project.com/ y del servidor web www.hiawatha-webserver.org/about porque alguien se sintió ofendido:

<<The package cherokee contains certain image files that I believe violate Fedora guidelines for acceptable content.

According to:
fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#CodeVsContent
"Content should not be offensive, discriminatory, or derogatory. If you're not sure if a piece of content is one of these things, it probably is."

Such image files as /var/www/cherokee/images/cherokee-logo.png and any other image files incorporating the Cherokee project logo are, in my view, clearly "offensive, discriminatory, or derogatory". They should be replaced with images that comply with Fedora content guidelines.>>

<<The fact that the Cherokee logo is a depiction of "a perfectly happy kid" is actually pertinent here. There is some historical tendency in US culture, if not elsewhere, to use infantilized (and, indeed, in many cases happy) depictions of subjugated minority groups. I believe that calls for special scrutiny of the acceptability of the logo.

The Cherokee project developer community seems quite international in scope and I have no doubt that the choice of this logo was not intended or understood to offend. Nevertheless, the Fedora standard (as I read it) does not rest on the intent of the upstream project.>>

<<I spoke to a Native American of Cherokee ancestry who has studied these issues and worked with tribes directly. She is not a spokesperson for the tribe so she cannot speak on their behalf in any official capacity. However, I showed her the Cherokee project web page and she advises strongly against the usage of the artwork. To quote her (with her permission):

"Wow. I have so many problems with that logo that I don't know where to begin. It is 100% offensive, as a Native American woman. I have to calm myself down just to respond in a respectful manner.

[...]

"How are my children, who are alive today and growing up in American society, supposed to have pride in our culture when our ancestors and our traditions are so exploited by non-Native peoples? (This is a question we must ask.) We are not just a matter of history books, we are living people.

"A good indication that you have been culturally offensive is to replace Native American with any other culture. Would using the black or Jewish cultures as product logos be alright? No. It would be an obvious violation.

[...]

"Historically: Entire generations of indigenous children in the United States and Canada were removed from their homes and raised by white families, and tribal children were sent to boarding schools where they endured beatings if they spoke Native languages or practices Native traditions. Because of these things, many tribes have lost their languages and traditions. We have what has become known as "The Generation of Lost Memory," which has severely damaged our peoples and we have been working very hard to repair this damage.">>

<<As open source people we believe in openness of information. What about the openness of feelings and respect for fellow human beings, especially those in suffering? If someone has a different view than us, we can consider that view and incorporate it (potentially). It seems like more than a few people are offended by this logo, and there has even been an offer to redesign it! Perhaps the cultural ignorance/insensitivity and inability to change (closedness) reign in on this issue?>>

<<(In reply to Alvaro Lopez Ortega from comment #35)
> Python's logo is a couple of snakes. Those dangerous animals are poisonous
> and kill a whole lot of people around the world every single day. They are
> deadly killers. How on earth can Fedora ship that? What would you think if
> you lost a loved one to one of those reptiles? It'd be utterly offensive for
> you.
>
> Also, from that perspective, Apache's CouchDB has a pretty hurtful logo.
> What do they have against people laying on a couch? What do they imply with
> the pose of that guy? Maybe that everybody who rests on a couch is lazy and
> has no manners? How rude!
>
> What about Docker? That poor enslaved whale with its forehead removed to
> work as a beast or burden and transport full size containers. What would
> PETA think of it? People usually find animal brutality unacceptable.
>
> Oh, and of course don't get me started with Gnome! That logo must piss off
> short people big time. I don't even want to imagine what would happen if
> somebody offered to draw a new logo and Fedora had to replace it on every
> single GNOME package. That'd be entertaining to see, don't you think?
>
> So, all in all, there will always be somebody who could potentially be
> offended by the most unexpected and trivial things. Whether or not they are
> actually out of the line is the real question. In this case, I really do
> struggle to see how a happy kid playing and pretending to be a plane can be
> possible be offensive to anybody. It could be me though. I must not see the
> evil behind kids.. or airplanes. Dunno.
>
>
> PS: I do hope this "reductio ad absurdum" exercise helps to put things in
> perspective, at least a little bit.

Not really, because I am sure that you would agree that at a certain point a logo could clearly implicate sufficient concerns about racism, bigotry or other offensiveness. Where to draw the line is generally difficult. Here, I think it's a much easier case than others that I've thought about (for example, the name of The GIMP project, or the name of MongoDB). Maybe it's easier because we're talking about a logo. (Suppose the logo for The GIMP were a caricature of a smiling boy in a wheelchair instead of the dog or whatever that animal is.)

A logo of a happy kid running or flying might be okay. But why is the happy kid depicted as a caricature of a Native American? That is the key feature of the logo which you failed to mention in your description.>>

» autor: meneandro

#12 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

ForeverAndEverAlone — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:01:05 +0000

¿Exactamente por qué es racista y machista Pocahontas? La primera sinopsis es buena. Pocahontas es princesa y la van a casar con un guerrero de la tribu, pero ella anhela algo más. Conoce a Jhon Smith, que es extranjero, interesante y exótico y le gusta más que el otro. ¿Dónde está el sexismo? ¿Por qué a raíz de esa frase entiende esa señora quejica que son los hombres los que luchan y tienen aventuras, pero las mujeres no? Estar descontenta con un matrimonio de conveniencia y anhelar una pareja mejor no es racista ni machista. Todos anhelamos una pareja que nos guste, si a Pocahontas no le gustaba aquel guerrero de ancho pecho, pues que e le va a hacer. No la obligan a casarse con quien no le gusta. Que le guste un hombre blanco extranjero no es racista ni machista. ¿No le pueden gustar los blancos porque ella es de piel tostada? Eso SÍ es racista.

La película trata sobre el conflicto entre dos culturas que no saben comunicarse entre si y sobre cómo dos enamorados aprenden a entenderse a pesar de las diferencias. Jhon Smith enseña a Pocahontas sobre la tecnología y las maravillas de Europa; y ella le enseña a él sobre su no menos maravilloso estilo de vida en armonía con la naturaleza. Gracias a su enamoramiento consiguen evitar un conflicto armado y ayudan al entendimiento de la nueva colonia y los nativos.

Buscar racismo o machismo en una película tan políticamente correcta me parece muy retorcido. Más parece que la gente va buscando ofenderse que otra cosa.

» autor: ForeverAndEverAlone

#11 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

--466767-- — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:45:57 +0000

#2 Pues si, salvo algunas excepciones, la mayoria de historias de "princesas" Disney, son machistas, en las que ellas no hacen nada mas que querer enamorarse y si no lo consiguen son desgraciadas. De los clásicos, solo se salvaría la de la Bella y la Bestia, que se sacrifica para salvar al padre

» autor: --466767--

#10 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

--470060-- — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:40:47 +0000

#8 No te olvides de 'La bella y la Bestia' que demuestra que a una mujer no le importa lo feo que seas si eres príncipe y tienes un castillo.

» autor: --470060--

#9 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

roker — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:39:44 +0000

Anhelo que me comas la polla.

Típica frase de una peli porno.

» autor: roker

#8 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

All_Español — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:36:38 +0000

Otra bien mala es El Jorobado de Notre Dame, donde el feo solo vale para pagafantas (a pesar de tener un gran corazón) y el guapo es el que se lleva a la chica. ¡Como la vida misma!

» autor: All_Español

#7 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

Marcelo987 — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:35:45 +0000

Me cago en la puta a que extremos estan llegando las feminazis. ESTAMOS GILIPOLLAS.

» autor: Marcelo987

#6 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

LuisPas — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:31:09 +0000

Racista disney?
que va!
theroyalreaders.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/las-10-peliculas-mas-racistas-d

» autor: LuisPas

#5 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

Wir0s — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:31:08 +0000

La bloguera explicó que el uso conjunto de las palabras "mujer" y "anhelo" tiene connotaciones desagradables, hacen que parezca que se habla de una película porno o de una cutre novela romántica.

Pocas porno debe haber visto, ya me dirás tu en cuantas porno llegan a usar una palabra como "anhelo"

Por lo demás... Si amiga, es una cutre novela romántica, cambies la descripción o no.

» autor: Wir0s

#4 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

NeSilento — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:29:04 +0000

Fracaso más absoluto de la bitacorera. Han cambiado las palabras y sigue sonando a lo mismo. ¿Será porque se limitan a contar de qué va la película?

» autor: NeSilento

#3 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

--277661-- — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:28:27 +0000

La bloguera explicó que el uso conjunto de las palabras "mujer" y "anhelo" tiene connotaciones desagradables

Debo ser un machista misogeno por llamar a las personas del género femenino como mujeres.

» autor: --277661--

#2 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

--470060-- — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:26:40 +0000

#1 De hecho a mí no me parece mala sinopsis; refleja a la perfección el espíritu del filme.

» autor: --470060--

#1 Netflix cambia su desafortunada sinopsis de 'Pocahontas' después de recibir multitud de quejas

--466767-- — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:25:37 +0000

Cambia la sinopsis todo lo que quieras, que sigue siendo una historia machista y racista...

» autor: --466767--