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	<title>Animales: búsqueda en comentarios: #MH17</title>
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		<meneame:user>Vlemix</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/tribunal-holandes-confirma-mh-17-fue-derribado-misil-fabricacion</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Un tribunal holandés confirma que el MH 17 fue derribado por un misil de fabricación rusa [EN]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/tribunal-holandes-confirma-mh-17-fue-derribado-misil-fabricacion/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vlemix</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/tribunal-holandes-confirma-mh-17-fue-derribado-misil-fabricacion/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hoy es un buen día para recordar al falso controlador aéreo José Carlos Barrios Sánchez, alias <a class='tooltip u:spainbuca' href='/user/spainbuca'>@spainbuca</a>, el estafador que cobró un pastizal de RT para difundir bulos sobre el <a href="/m/animales/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23MH17&#38;o=date">#MH17</a><br />
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<a href="https://www.elconfidencial.com/mundo/europa/2019-07-16/estafador-espanol-ayudo-putin-encubrir-mh17-ucrania_2125451/" title="www.elconfidencial.com/mundo/europa/2019-07-16/estafador-espanol-ayudo-putin-encubrir-mh17-ucrania_2125451/" rel="nofollow">www.elconfidencial.com/mundo/europa/2019-07-16/estafador-espanol-ayudo</a><br />
<a href="https://www-riseproject-ro.translate.goog/articol/controlorul_de_trafic/?_x_tr_sl=auto&#38;_x_tr_tl=es&#38;_x_tr_hl=es&#38;_x_tr_pto=wapp" title="www-riseproject-ro.translate.goog/articol/controlorul_de_trafic/?_x_tr_sl=auto&#38;_x_tr_tl=es&#38;_x_tr_hl=es&#38;_x_tr_pto=wapp" rel="nofollow">www-riseproject-ro.translate.goog/articol/controlorul_de_trafic/?_x_tr</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Vlemix</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>16522953</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2376732</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Señor_Gremlin</meneame:user>
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		<title>#2 Investigación holandesa concluye que el MH17 fue derribado por una batería de misiles Buk rusa (ENG)</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/investigacion-holandesa-concluye-mh17-fue-derribado-bateria-buk/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2015 15:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Señor_Gremlin</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/investigacion-holandesa-concluye-mh17-fue-derribado-bateria-buk/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>Otra noticia complementaria :<br />
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Pruebas forenses confirman que el vuelo <a href="/m/animales/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23MH17&#38;o=date">#MH17</a> fue derribado por un misil BUK de fabricación rusa :<br />
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<a href="http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/mh17-shot-down-buk-missile-definitive-proof" title="www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/mh17-shot-down-buk-missile-definitive-proof" rel="nofollow">www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/mh17-shot-down-buk-missile-definiti</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-taken-down-buk-missile" title="www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-taken-down-buk-missile" rel="nofollow">www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-t</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Señor_Gremlin</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>15129619</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>Chitauri</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/bbc-busqueda-buk-video-eliminado-bbc-eng</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 BBC en la búsqueda del “BUK” – El vídeo eliminado por la BBC [ENG]</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/bbc-busqueda-buk-video-eliminado-bbc-eng/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chitauri</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Transcript of the BBC Video Report<br />
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DPR Representative: Here it is.<br />
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The black boxes from the crashed Boeing are finally being transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?<br />
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.<br />
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.<br />
Eyewitness <a class="tooltip c:2226736-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/bbc-busqueda-buk-video-eliminado-bbc-eng/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a>: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …<br />
Eyewitness <a class="tooltip c:2226736-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/bbc-busqueda-buk-video-eliminado-bbc-eng/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a>: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.<br />
Eyewitness <a class="tooltip c:2226736-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/bbc-busqueda-buk-video-eliminado-bbc-eng/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a>: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.<br />
Eyewitness <a class="tooltip c:2226736-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/bbc-busqueda-buk-video-eliminado-bbc-eng/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a>: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].<br />
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from the direction of Russia.<br />
Vitaliy Naida, Department of Counterintelligence of SBU [Ukrainian Security Service]: This was a BUK M1 system from which the aircraft was shot down. It came to Ukraine early in the morning on the 17th of July. It was delivered by a tow truck to the city of Donetsk. After that, it was redeployed from Donetsk, as part of a column of military equipment, to the area of the city of Torez, to the area of Snezhnoye, to the area of Pervomaisk.<br />
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile. We attempted to verify these photographs and information at the location.<br />
One of the photographs showed a landscape not far from the city of Torez, on which smoke could be seen coming from the presumed location of the missile’s launch. We attempted to find this location, and it appears that we were successful.<br />
We are now on the outskirts of the city of Torez. Behind me, approximately five kilometres away, is the city of Snezhnoye. And the landscape here matches the landscape that we can see on the photograph published by the Ukrainian Security Service.<br />
To find the place from which the smoke was allegedly coming from, we adopted as markers these three poplars and the group of trees. Presumably, this is the place that can be seen on the photograph published by the SBU. And here are our markers: the three solitary poplars and the small group of trees in the distance.<br />
The smoke that can be seen on the photograph came from somewhere over there [pointing behind her], behind my back. The SBU believes that this is a trace coming from the launch of a “BUK” missile.<br />
However, it must be noted that there are here, approximately in the same place, the Saur-Mogila memorial, near which the fighting continues almost unabated, and a coalmine. It turns out that the smoke with the same degree of probability could have been coming from any of these locations.<br />
Having circled around the nearby fields, we were unable to find any traces of a missile launch. Nor did the local inhabitants that we encountered see any “BUK” either.<br />
At the ruins of an apartment building in the city of Snezhnoye, the topic of the jet fighters that may have been escorting civilian aircraft comes up again. A bomb dropped from above took away the lives of eleven civilians here.<br />
Sergey Godovanets, Commander of the Militia of the city of Snezhnoye: They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.<br />
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The commander of the local militia emphasizes that they have no weaponry capable of shooting down a jet fighter [flying] at a significant height. However, he says that if such weaponry were to appear, they would have tried to.<br />
Sergey Godovanets: If we know that it is not a civilian aircraft, but a military one, then – yes.<br />
Olga Ivshina, BBC: So, could the Boeing have been shot down by the militias that had mistaken it for a military aircraft? There is as yet no unequivocal confirmation of either this or any other version [of what took place]. The international experts are just beginning their work with the information obtained from the crashed airliner. It now appears that it is difficult to overstate the importance of this investigation. Olga Ivshina, BBC.<br />
The Catastrophe of <a href="/m/animales/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23MH17&#38;o=date">#MH17</a>:<br />
<a href="/m/animales/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23BBC&#38;o=date">#BBC</a> in the Search of the “BUK” – The Video Report Deleted by BBC<br />
Translation by: Valentina Lisitsa</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Chitauri</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>15060516</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2219340</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>296</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mailman</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/incidente-aereo-frontera-ucrania-rusia-avion-pasajeros-malaysia</meneame:url>
		<title>#296 Incidente aéreo en la frontera de Ucrania con Rusia: Se estrella un avión de pasajeros de Malaysia Airlines</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/incidente-aereo-frontera-ucrania-rusia-avion-pasajeros-malaysia/c0296#c-296</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mailman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>La agencia Reuters informa en Twitter que hay ciudadanos estadounidenses entre los fallecidos:<br />
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<a href="/m/animales/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23BREAKING&#38;o=date">#BREAKING</a>: Number of dead from crash of <a href="/m/animales/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23MH17&#38;o=date">#MH17</a> more than 300, includes 23 U.S. citizen: Interior Ministry adviser, quoted by Interfax</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mailman</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>15060501</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>2219340</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>292</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>--13404--</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>151</meneame:karma>
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		<title>#292 Incidente aéreo en la frontera de Ucrania con Rusia: Se estrella un avión de pasajeros de Malaysia Airlines</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/incidente-aereo-frontera-ucrania-rusia-avion-pasajeros-malaysia/c0292#c-292</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>--13404--</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Me suelo fiar bastante de <a class='tooltip u:shustry' href='/user/shustry'>@shustry</a> (corresponsal de Time)<br />
&#34;Spoke to Ukraine separatist leader Tsarev. Says they don't have the weapons to take down <a href="/m/animales/search?w=comments&#38;q=%23MH17&#38;o=date">#MH17</a>. Hung up when asked about their BUK missiles&#34;<br />
&#34;Hablé con un líder separatista. Dijo que no tienen las armas para derribar ese avión. Colgó cuando le pregunté sobre los misiles BUK&#34;<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/shustry/status/489817136408178688" title="twitter.com/shustry/status/489817136408178688" rel="nofollow">twitter.com/shustry/status/489817136408178688</a> <a class="tooltip c:2219340-188" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/actualidad/incidente-aereo-frontera-ucrania-rusia-avion-pasajeros-malaysia/c0188#c-188" rel="nofollow">#188</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>--13404--</strong></p>]]></description>
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