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		<title>#28 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a>  <a class="tooltip c:3909169-24" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c024#c-24" rel="nofollow">#24</a>  <a class="tooltip c:3909169-25" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c025#c-25" rel="nofollow">#25</a> De hoy: <a href="https://www.gciencia.com/retro/sete-campamentos-romanos-galicia-enorme-despregue-militar/" title="www.gciencia.com/retro/sete-campamentos-romanos-galicia-enorme-despregue-militar/" rel="nofollow">www.gciencia.com/retro/sete-campamentos-romanos-galicia-enorme-despreg</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ewok</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40227073</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>27</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>porto</meneame:user>
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		<title>#27 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>porto</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Vascones, galaicos, astures...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>porto</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40225632</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>26</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Elnuberu</meneame:user>
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		<title>#26 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Muy interesante</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Elnuberu</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40225010</meneame:comment_id>
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		<title>#25 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ewok</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-24" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c024#c-24" rel="nofollow">#24</a> En lo que hoy es Galicia sí se tardó más de lo que se creía y pusieron mucho más empeño. En los últimos 10 años hubo descubrimientos y excavaciones novedosas.<br />
<a href="https://historiadegalicia.gal/2016/06/nova-campana-no-campamento-romano-de-aquis-querquenis/" title="historiadegalicia.gal/2016/06/nova-campana-no-campamento-romano-de-aquis-querquenis/" rel="nofollow">historiadegalicia.gal/2016/06/nova-campana-no-campamento-romano-de-aqu</a><br />
<br />
<a class='tooltip u:Dalit' href='/user/Dalit'>@Dalit</a>, que foi?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ewok</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#24 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 22:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Fer_3439</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> Tengo entendido que resistencia hubo en muchas zonas de la península, que Roma consiguió doblegar unas veces con las armas y otras con oro. <br />
Sin embargo en la zona asturcantabra no funcionó ni lo uno ni lo otro durante muchas generaciones, de ahí que se destaque tanto, ya que en el resto de la península, la actual Galicia incluida, no tardaron mucho los diferentes grupos en sucumbir a Roma.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Fer_3439</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#23 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c023#c-23</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 22:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-14" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c014#c-14" rel="nofollow">#14</a> En Laredo no había mayor ironía que tener el pueblo lleno de aPatxis con las camisetas de Asterix y Obelix con la ikurriña y el lema “ocupados pero no conquistados”.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Mr.Worthington</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#22 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c022#c-22</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 22:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mosquis</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> En Castro Urdiales  sí</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mosquis</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Feindesland</meneame:user>
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		<title>#21 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c021#c-21</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 22:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Feindesland</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> <a class="tooltip c:3909169-7" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c07#c-7" rel="nofollow">#7</a> Pactus Santoñorum.<br />
<br />
<img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/lol.gif" alt="xD" title=":lol: xD" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Feindesland</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>manbobi</meneame:user>
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		<title>#20 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 22:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>manbobi</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-19" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c019#c-19" rel="nofollow">#19</a> <a href="https://www.google.es/search?q=letras+de+hertzainak+si+vis+pacem,+parabelum&#38;client=ms-opera-mobile&#38;channel=new&#38;espv=1&#38;gs_ssp=eJzj4tFP1zcsNM1Kyq3MSDFg9FIuzlQoyyxWKEhMTs0FkkWJCkmpOTmluQoZqUUlVYmZeYnZALouEfk&#38;si=AKbGX_rdaVK-rhf5KHnOAD2drrRmADv7R3TkES869sRtvhJtAOFIxRuJ9oGiG6TvSdbxEwhLMbqo1DmGo6qiHmVICTSEyLiNSQpO6eRdmxGwDpuNQ8VSU4sFbTZEsBD5EoE1sakgyTspLPUZnBPvOJ3RnwhyshUKuBTZpgQU9tFgSYM5b8WFuGNlLxXHlQI_mD-SQI5N_iUR&#38;ictx=1&#38;ved=2ahUKEwjD0s7ksbOEAxVkTqQEHUm5CkMQjukCegQIFhAD" title="www.google.es/search?q=letras+de+hertzainak+si+vis+pacem,+parabelum&#38;client=ms-opera-mobile&#38;channel=new&#38;espv=1&#38;gs_ssp=eJzj4tFP1zcsNM1Kyq3MSDFg9FIuzlQoyyxWKEhMTs0FkkWJCkmpOTmluQoZqUUlVYmZeYnZALouEfk&#38;si=AKbGX_rdaVK-rhf5KHnOAD2drrRmADv7R3TkES869sRtvhJtAOFIxRuJ9oGiG6TvSdbxEwhLMbqo1DmGo6qiHmVICTSEyLiNSQpO6eRdmxGwDpuNQ8VSU4sFbTZEsBD5EoE1sakgyTspLPUZnBPvOJ3RnwhyshUKuBTZpgQU9tFgSYM5b8WFuGNlLxXHlQI_mD-SQI5N_iUR&#38;ictx=1&#38;ved=2ahUKEwjD0s7ksbOEAxVkTqQEHUm5CkMQjukCegQIFhAD" rel="nofollow">www.google.es/search?q=letras+de+hertzainak+si+vis+pacem,+parabelum&am</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>manbobi</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:user>Charles_Dexter_Ward</meneame:user>
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		<title>#19 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c019#c-19</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 22:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Charles_Dexter_Ward</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c019#c-19</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-18" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c018#c-18" rel="nofollow">#18</a> Erromak kolaboratzaileak ordaintzen ditu</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Charles_Dexter_Ward</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40224625</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>manbobi</meneame:user>
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		<title>#18 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c018#c-18</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 21:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>manbobi</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dio zure brigada txuskeroak</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>manbobi</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40224616</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:user>ChukNorris</meneame:user>
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		<title>#17 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 21:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ChukNorris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> <i>De esa orografía hostil se darían cuenta también, varios siglos después, las huestes musulmanas.</i><br />
<br />
La orografía... Y el tiempo, <br />
&#34;Si está todo el dia lloviendo, pa ke kieres conquistar eso, ja ja Salu2.&#34;</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ChukNorris</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#16 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c016#c-16</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 21:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>pikutara</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-6" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c06#c-6" rel="nofollow">#6</a> goto <a class="tooltip c:3909169-15" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c015#c-15" rel="nofollow">#15</a></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>pikutara</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#15 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>pikutara</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> No, el autor del libro responde en los comentarios de la noticia a esa misma duda y dice lo evidente, que vascones, várdulos, autrigones y caristios no eran cántabros.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>pikutara</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<title>#14 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c014#c-14</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 21:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>quint</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c014#c-14</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> serían de laredo</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>quint</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40224575</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>13</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>mecha</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>8</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>80</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#13 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c013#c-13</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 21:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mecha</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c013#c-13</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-4" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c04#c-4" rel="nofollow">#4</a> tanto va el cántabro a la fuente, que al final se rompe.<br />
<br />
<sub>en la cabeza no, que estoy estudiando.</sub></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>mecha</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40224559</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>12</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>troll_hdlgp</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>1</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>18</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#12 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c012#c-12</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 21:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>troll_hdlgp</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c012#c-12</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Eso eso, de 9mm, pero un lápiz también vale <img data-src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/menemojis/36/troll.png" alt=":troll:" title=":troll:" width="18" height="18" src="https://cdn.mnmstatic.net/v_149/img/g.gif" class="emoji lazy" /></p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>troll_hdlgp</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40224549</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>11</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ulipulido</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>21</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#11 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c011#c-11</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 21:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ulipulido</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c011#c-11</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> para bellum, la que tengo aquí colgedum</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ulipulido</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40224215</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>10</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>themarquesito</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>36</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#10 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c010#c-10</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>themarquesito</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c010#c-10</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-9" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c09#c-9" rel="nofollow">#9</a> Del 710-711 hay bien poquita información, y las crónicas de la época (Continuatio Isodoriana y Crónica bizantino-arábiga) son parcas en palabras de manera general.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>themarquesito</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40224091</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>9</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>ewok</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>3</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>18</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#9 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c09#c-9</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ewok</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c09#c-9</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-1" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c01#c-1" rel="nofollow">#1</a> Curioso que a veces se omite el territorio de la actual Galicia y se centra en Asturias/Cantábrico tanto una &#34;resistencia&#34; como la otra. En esta década se descubrieron campamentos que cambian el relato de la expansión romana en lo que sería Gallaecia. Y de 710-711 hay un relato simplificado y muchas cosas que contar, también muchas incógnitas de qué pasó entre los viticianos, los partidarios de Akhila o Rodrigo (las crónicas ovetenses son muy antiwitizianas, pero muy alejadas en el tiempo), qué papel tuvieron los bizantinos, aliados tradicionales del reino suevo (que regentó Witiza antes de regir toda la corona visigoda)...</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>ewok</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40223527</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>8</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Doisneau</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#8 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c08#c-8</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 18:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Doisneau</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c08#c-8</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-3" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c03#c-3" rel="nofollow">#3</a> Sunrise, parabellum</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Doisneau</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40222523</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>7</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>srskiner</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>75</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#7 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c07#c-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 14:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>srskiner</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c07#c-7</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> y despues del comentario serio, el de coña:<br />
Los vascones ya usaban el mismo metodo que el PNV</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>srskiner</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40222515</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>6</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>srskiner</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#6 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c06#c-6</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 14:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>srskiner</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c06#c-6</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-5" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c05#c-5" rel="nofollow">#5</a> si, esa es la versión que conocia ( y que explica la supervivencia del euskera)<br />
 No entiendo la inclusión que hace el autor de los vascones como cantabros.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>srskiner</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40222287</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>5</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>Charles_Dexter_Ward</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#5 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c05#c-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 13:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Charles_Dexter_Ward</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c05#c-5</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> Claro que no, los vascones no se enfrentaron a Roma, salvo las tribus de autrigones caristios y várdulos que se unieron a las tribus cántabras y astures. Los vascones recibieron tierras, prebendas y negocio comercial a cambio de su vasallaje.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>Charles_Dexter_Ward</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40221981</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>4</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>lonnegan</meneame:user>
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		<meneame:karma>14</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#4 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c04#c-4</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 12:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lonnegan</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c04#c-4</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a class="tooltip c:3909169-2" href="https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c02#c-2" rel="nofollow">#2</a> El autor de libro es cántabro, barre para casa.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>lonnegan</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40221966</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>3</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>glups</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>2</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>30</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#3 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c03#c-3</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 12:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>glups</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c03#c-3</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>para bellum la 9mm</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>glups</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40221939</meneame:comment_id>
		<meneame:link_id>3909169</meneame:link_id>
		<meneame:order>2</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>srskiner</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>0</meneame:votes>
		<meneame:karma>10</meneame:karma>
		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#2 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c02#c-2</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 12:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>srskiner</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c02#c-2</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>¿ ahora los vascones eran cantabros?</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>srskiner</strong></p>]]></description>
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		<meneame:comment_id>40221796</meneame:comment_id>
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		<meneame:order>1</meneame:order>
		<meneame:user>themarquesito</meneame:user>
		<meneame:votes>14</meneame:votes>
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		<meneame:url>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2</meneame:url>
		<title>#1 Si vis pacem, para bellum</title>
		<link>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c01#c-1</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>themarquesito</dc:creator>
		<guid>https://www.meneame.net/m/cultura/vis-pacem-bellum-2/c01#c-1</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p>La orografía del norte de Hispania hizo que la guerra fuera muy larga y complicada, siendo costosísima tanto en hombres como en recursos.<br />
De esa orografía hostil se darían cuenta también, varios siglos después, las huestes musulmanas.</p><p>&#187;&nbsp;autor: <strong>themarquesito</strong></p>]]></description>
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