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#6 Aunque sea con muro de pago...quizá mejor consultar la fuente original:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/12/20/ocps-books/
Y de ahí, al distrito escolar de Orange County (que, según la noticia, se encarga de la autocensura forzada), donde hay un buscador que incluye institutos: https://www.ocps.net/cms/One.aspx?portalId=54703&pageId=197856
Resumiendo, las listas de libros purgadas son de todos los niveles escolares, así que la traducción del medio español es bastante incorrecta.
Con esto, #6, creo que ya tienes datos: ¿lo consideras la barbaridad que parece?
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/12/20/ocps-books/
Y de ahí, al distrito escolar de Orange County (que, según la noticia, se encarga de la autocensura forzada), donde hay un buscador que incluye institutos: https://www.ocps.net/cms/One.aspx?portalId=54703&pageId=197856
Resumiendo, las listas de libros purgadas son de todos los niveles escolares, así que la traducción del medio español es bastante incorrecta.
Con esto, #6, creo que ya tienes datos: ¿lo consideras la barbaridad que parece?
#20:
#11 "A total of 673 books, from classics to best-sellers, have been removed from Orange County classrooms this year for fear they violate new state rules that ban making “sexual conduct” available to public school students.
The list of rejected books, which the district began compiling during the summer, will get another review from Orange County Public Schools staff, so some could eventually be put back on shelves. But for now, teachers who had them in their classrooms have been told to take them home or put them away so students cannot access them.
The books run the gamut, from John Milton’s 17th-century epic poem “Paradise Lost” to John Grisham’s 1991 New York Times bestseller “The Firm.” John Steinbeck’s “East of Eden” and John Irving’s “The World According to Garp” made the list, too.
The list also includes popular novels by Stephen King, Sue Monk Kidd and Jodi Picoult, classics like “A Tree Grows in Brooklyn,” “Jude the Obscure,” and “Madame Bovary,” and award-winning books like “A Thousand Acres,” “Beloved,” and “Love in the Time of Cholera.”
The rejected books include ones teachers say were once regularly taught in high school classes, such as “The Color Purple,” “Catch-22,” and “Brave New World.
Read it yourself: All 673 books removed from Orange classrooms
The list contains books found in teachers’ classroom collections, not in school libraries. Many likely were not part of required instruction but were available to students for independent reading. The district said it could not yet provide a full count of how many books have been removed from school libraries this year.
The books pulled from classrooms represent “over censorship” by media specialists operating under “great fear” because of the new state laws that hold them responsible for every item on a shelf, said Karen Castor Dentel, an Orange County School Board member as the board discussed the list at its Dec. 12 meeting.
“It’s creating this culture of fear within our media specialists and even teachers who just want to have a library in their classrooms, so kids have access,” said Castor Dentel, a former OCPS elementary school teacher.
Parents, she said, can restrict what their own children read, making it hard to justify pulling so many books from classrooms. “They’re in a pile of we’ll-get-to-it-later and in the meantime, no one can read those books.”
The harm of so much censorship far outweighs the benefits of finding “a book or two that is offensive,” Castor Dentel added. “Look at all the chaos that has been created. It’s not worth it.”
New Florida laws (HB 1069 and HB 1467) require media specialists — who are teachers with additional library training — to review and approve all books in classroom collections and school libraries and to exclude those that include pornography or “sexual conduct.”
New state training for media specialists warns them to “err on the side of caution” when approving books and warns that they can face criminal penalties and the loss of their teaching certificates, if they approve inappropriate books.
The new laws were approved by Florida’s Republican-dominated Legislature and signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2022 and 2023. They aim to protect children from inappropriate material and pornography and give parents better information on the books in their children’s schools and easier ways to challenge them ones they do not like.
State leaders pointed to several school library books they found offensive — among them “Gender Queer,” a comic-book style memoir by a non-binary author that included drawings of sex acts — as proof the laws were needed.
OCPS had five copies of the book in four of its high schools, and after a complaint two years ago, administrators determined “Gender Queer” was too graphic for school shelves and ordered it removed. That happened in the fall of 2021, before the new laws were passed. The book appeared on the list of 673 rejected titles, apparently because a teacher had a copy in a classroom library.
Florida’s new laws have fueled school book bans across the state, making Florida the national leader in books removed from public schools last school year, according to PEN America, a free speech and expression group. PEN America and other critics argue the book removals stem from some books being wrongly labeled as pornographic and the faulty assumption that any description of sexual conduct makes a book automatically inappropriate for high school students.
“This is yet another disastrous consequence of Florida’s disastrous education policies,” said Kasey Meehan, director of PEN America’s Freedom to Read project, in a statement. “Hundreds of books have now been removed from Orange County shelves under HB 1069, and we continue to be alarmed by the magnitude and scale of censorship following the implementation of this law.”
School districts across Florida have wrestled with reviewing books and handling book challenges, with the Hernando County school district even removing children’s picture books that showed cartoonish drawings of kids’ bare bottoms. The Escambia County school district this fall pulled about 1,400 books from its libraries — including works by Agatha Christie and Charles Dickens — to review for compliance with the new law, according a list obtained by the Freedom to Read Project, which opposes school book bans.
Orange school board member Alicia Farrant, a member of the conservative Moms for Liberty group that has pushed for books to be yanked from schools, ran for office last year promising to get rid of books she called offensive.
She was on stage with DeSantis when he signed HB 1467 in 2022, which increased scrutiny of school and classroom libraries and prompted the new rules for media specialists.
During the board’s discussion last week, she mentioned the book “No, David!,” one of the picture books pulled from Hernando schools, and said districts need to find “that happy medium” when it comes to books.
“We can’t be living in a state of fear and removing every single book,” Farrant said. “I don’t like the book,” she said of “No, David!,” by David Shannon, “but a book like that shouldn’t be removed because a kid is running down the street with his butt showing.”
But Farrant also blamed Castor Dentel and others on the board before her 2022 election for allowing books she found inappropriate, including those with “graphic sexual content” and “major cussing,” onto campuses.
“If you’re so frustrated, with the state having its nose in your stuff, maybe you should have been doing your job and making sure these books were not in our libraries,” she told Castor Dentel.
To comply with this year’s new law, OCPS began reviewing school and classroom library books over the summer, with the early rejection list alarming some teachers even before the new school year started.
Toni Morrison’s “Beloved” and Ralph Ellison’s “Invisible Man” as well as popular, turned-into-movies books like “Into the Wild,” and “The Fault in Our Stars” were early entries on the list and remain rejected.
“Depicts or describes sexual conduct (not allowed per HB 1069-2023),” read the explanation on the early rejection list, referencing the law DeSantis signed in May.
The list of 673 rejected classroom books was first obtained by the freedom to read group, founded by two Orange County mothers, and then confirmed by OCPS.
Stephana Ferrell, one of the group’s founders, said books shouldn’t be taken from schools because Farrant or someone else doesn’t like them.
“That‘s what a free society does. We leave books on the shelf even if we personally don’t agree with them,” Ferrell said.
But Superintendent Maria Vazquez said media specialists had no option but to take the state’s warnings seriously.
“If there is a challenge, it’s the media specialist’s certificate that is in jeopardy,” she said.
The district’s guidance to media specialists as the book reviews began in the summer warned them about what was at stake. “You are tasked with protecting your colleagues, yourself, and OCPS to ensure content being made available to students is in compliance with Florida Statutes,” it read.
Vazquez said the district wants staff to review the rejected books as quickly as possible, so some novels might be returned to classrooms. But, she said, “There’s hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of books, and they also have another job they are doing at the same time.”
Board member Angie Gallo urged the district to make the list of rejected books available on its website so residents can see it, and, if it bothers them, talk to state lawmakers.
“I think they’d be shocked,” Gallo said. “I know I was shocked when I saw the list.”
Vazquez said staff would try to do that early in 2024 and also update the board on the status of the books on the rejected list.
Gallo also said she understood that media specialists and district staff faced a “huge burden” reviewing so many books. “They’re doing the best they can to try to adhere to a law that is out there, and I appreciate them so much,” she said."
The list of rejected books, which the district began compiling during the summer, will get another review from Orange County Public Schools staff, so some could eventually be put back on shelves. But for now, teachers who had them in their classrooms have been told to take them home or put them away so students cannot access them.
The books run the gamut, from John Milton’s 17th-century epic poem “Paradise Lost” to John Grisham’s 1991 New York Times bestseller “The Firm.” John Steinbeck’s “East of Eden” and John Irving’s “The World According to Garp” made the list, too.
The list also includes popular novels by Stephen King, Sue Monk Kidd and Jodi Picoult, classics like “A Tree Grows in Brooklyn,” “Jude the Obscure,” and “Madame Bovary,” and award-winning books like “A Thousand Acres,” “Beloved,” and “Love in the Time of Cholera.”
The rejected books include ones teachers say were once regularly taught in high school classes, such as “The Color Purple,” “Catch-22,” and “Brave New World.
Read it yourself: All 673 books removed from Orange classrooms
The list contains books found in teachers’ classroom collections, not in school libraries. Many likely were not part of required instruction but were available to students for independent reading. The district said it could not yet provide a full count of how many books have been removed from school libraries this year.
The books pulled from classrooms represent “over censorship” by media specialists operating under “great fear” because of the new state laws that hold them responsible for every item on a shelf, said Karen Castor Dentel, an Orange County School Board member as the board discussed the list at its Dec. 12 meeting.
“It’s creating this culture of fear within our media specialists and even teachers who just want to have a library in their classrooms, so kids have access,” said Castor Dentel, a former OCPS elementary school teacher.
Parents, she said, can restrict what their own children read, making it hard to justify pulling so many books from classrooms. “They’re in a pile of we’ll-get-to-it-later and in the meantime, no one can read those books.”
The harm of so much censorship far outweighs the benefits of finding “a book or two that is offensive,” Castor Dentel added. “Look at all the chaos that has been created. It’s not worth it.”
New Florida laws (HB 1069 and HB 1467) require media specialists — who are teachers with additional library training — to review and approve all books in classroom collections and school libraries and to exclude those that include pornography or “sexual conduct.”
New state training for media specialists warns them to “err on the side of caution” when approving books and warns that they can face criminal penalties and the loss of their teaching certificates, if they approve inappropriate books.
The new laws were approved by Florida’s Republican-dominated Legislature and signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2022 and 2023. They aim to protect children from inappropriate material and pornography and give parents better information on the books in their children’s schools and easier ways to challenge them ones they do not like.
State leaders pointed to several school library books they found offensive — among them “Gender Queer,” a comic-book style memoir by a non-binary author that included drawings of sex acts — as proof the laws were needed.
OCPS had five copies of the book in four of its high schools, and after a complaint two years ago, administrators determined “Gender Queer” was too graphic for school shelves and ordered it removed. That happened in the fall of 2021, before the new laws were passed. The book appeared on the list of 673 rejected titles, apparently because a teacher had a copy in a classroom library.
Florida’s new laws have fueled school book bans across the state, making Florida the national leader in books removed from public schools last school year, according to PEN America, a free speech and expression group. PEN America and other critics argue the book removals stem from some books being wrongly labeled as pornographic and the faulty assumption that any description of sexual conduct makes a book automatically inappropriate for high school students.
“This is yet another disastrous consequence of Florida’s disastrous education policies,” said Kasey Meehan, director of PEN America’s Freedom to Read project, in a statement. “Hundreds of books have now been removed from Orange County shelves under HB 1069, and we continue to be alarmed by the magnitude and scale of censorship following the implementation of this law.”
School districts across Florida have wrestled with reviewing books and handling book challenges, with the Hernando County school district even removing children’s picture books that showed cartoonish drawings of kids’ bare bottoms. The Escambia County school district this fall pulled about 1,400 books from its libraries — including works by Agatha Christie and Charles Dickens — to review for compliance with the new law, according a list obtained by the Freedom to Read Project, which opposes school book bans.
Orange school board member Alicia Farrant, a member of the conservative Moms for Liberty group that has pushed for books to be yanked from schools, ran for office last year promising to get rid of books she called offensive.
She was on stage with DeSantis when he signed HB 1467 in 2022, which increased scrutiny of school and classroom libraries and prompted the new rules for media specialists.
During the board’s discussion last week, she mentioned the book “No, David!,” one of the picture books pulled from Hernando schools, and said districts need to find “that happy medium” when it comes to books.
“We can’t be living in a state of fear and removing every single book,” Farrant said. “I don’t like the book,” she said of “No, David!,” by David Shannon, “but a book like that shouldn’t be removed because a kid is running down the street with his butt showing.”
But Farrant also blamed Castor Dentel and others on the board before her 2022 election for allowing books she found inappropriate, including those with “graphic sexual content” and “major cussing,” onto campuses.
“If you’re so frustrated, with the state having its nose in your stuff, maybe you should have been doing your job and making sure these books were not in our libraries,” she told Castor Dentel.
To comply with this year’s new law, OCPS began reviewing school and classroom library books over the summer, with the early rejection list alarming some teachers even before the new school year started.
Toni Morrison’s “Beloved” and Ralph Ellison’s “Invisible Man” as well as popular, turned-into-movies books like “Into the Wild,” and “The Fault in Our Stars” were early entries on the list and remain rejected.
“Depicts or describes sexual conduct (not allowed per HB 1069-2023),” read the explanation on the early rejection list, referencing the law DeSantis signed in May.
The list of 673 rejected classroom books was first obtained by the freedom to read group, founded by two Orange County mothers, and then confirmed by OCPS.
Stephana Ferrell, one of the group’s founders, said books shouldn’t be taken from schools because Farrant or someone else doesn’t like them.
“That‘s what a free society does. We leave books on the shelf even if we personally don’t agree with them,” Ferrell said.
But Superintendent Maria Vazquez said media specialists had no option but to take the state’s warnings seriously.
“If there is a challenge, it’s the media specialist’s certificate that is in jeopardy,” she said.
The district’s guidance to media specialists as the book reviews began in the summer warned them about what was at stake. “You are tasked with protecting your colleagues, yourself, and OCPS to ensure content being made available to students is in compliance with Florida Statutes,” it read.
Vazquez said the district wants staff to review the rejected books as quickly as possible, so some novels might be returned to classrooms. But, she said, “There’s hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of books, and they also have another job they are doing at the same time.”
Board member Angie Gallo urged the district to make the list of rejected books available on its website so residents can see it, and, if it bothers them, talk to state lawmakers.
“I think they’d be shocked,” Gallo said. “I know I was shocked when I saw the list.”
Vazquez said staff would try to do that early in 2024 and also update the board on the status of the books on the rejected list.
Gallo also said she understood that media specialists and district staff faced a “huge burden” reviewing so many books. “They’re doing the best they can to try to adhere to a law that is out there, and I appreciate them so much,” she said."
#18:
Recordemos que DeSantis era el de la dictadura woke y la guerra cultural.
#2:
Hubo un tiempo en que los niños leíamos la colección del El Barco de Vapor. Antaño había libros para niños y libros para adultos. Eran otros tiempos… también teníamos obras de teatro infantiles sin drag queens. Y era muy difícil acceder a la pornografía. A veces lo lográbamos.
Por supuesto esos tiempos eran mucho peores que los actuales.
Por supuesto esos tiempos eran mucho peores que los actuales.
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#6 Aunque sea con muro de pago...quizá mejor consultar la fuente original:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/12/20/ocps-books/
Y de ahí, al distrito escolar de Orange County (que, según la noticia, se encarga de la autocensura forzada), donde hay un buscador que incluye institutos: https://www.ocps.net/cms/One.aspx?portalId=54703&pageId=197856
Resumiendo, las listas de libros purgadas son de todos los niveles escolares, así que la traducción del medio español es bastante incorrecta.
Con esto, #6, creo que ya tienes datos: ¿lo consideras la barbaridad que parece?
#10 Pero la noticia que enlazas no se puede leer. Aún no podemos sacar conclusiones.
#11 "A total of 673 books, from classics to best-sellers, have been removed from Orange County classrooms this year for fear they violate new state rules that ban making “sexual conduct” available to public school students.
The list of rejected books, which the district began compiling during the summer, will get another review from Orange County Public Schools staff, so some could eventually be put back on shelves. But for now, teachers who had them in their classrooms have been told to take them home or put them away so students cannot access them.
The books run the gamut, from John Milton’s 17th-century epic poem “Paradise Lost” to John Grisham’s 1991 New York Times bestseller “The Firm.” John Steinbeck’s “East of Eden” and John Irving’s “The World According to Garp” made the list, too.
The list also includes popular novels by Stephen King, Sue Monk Kidd and Jodi Picoult, classics like “A Tree Grows in Brooklyn,” “Jude the Obscure,” and “Madame Bovary,” and award-winning books like “A Thousand Acres,” “Beloved,” and “Love in the Time of Cholera.”
The rejected books include ones teachers say were once regularly taught in high school classes, such as “The Color Purple,” “Catch-22,” and “Brave New World.
Read it yourself: All 673 books removed from Orange classrooms
The list contains books found in teachers’ classroom collections, not in school libraries. Many likely were not part of required instruction but were available to students for independent reading. The district said it could not yet provide a full count of how many books have been removed from school libraries this year.
The books pulled from classrooms represent “over censorship” by media specialists operating under “great fear” because of the new state laws that hold them responsible for every item on a shelf, said Karen Castor Dentel, an Orange County School Board member as the board discussed the list at its Dec. 12 meeting.
“It’s creating this culture of fear within our media specialists and even teachers who just want to have a library in their classrooms, so kids have access,” said Castor Dentel, a former OCPS elementary school teacher.
Parents, she said, can restrict what their own children read, making it hard to justify pulling so many books from classrooms. “They’re in a pile of we’ll-get-to-it-later and in the meantime, no one can read those books.”
The harm of so much censorship far outweighs the benefits of finding “a book or two that is offensive,” Castor Dentel added. “Look at all the chaos that has been created. It’s not worth it.”
New Florida laws (HB 1069 and HB 1467) require media specialists — who are teachers with additional library training — to review and approve all books in classroom collections and school libraries and to exclude those that include pornography or “sexual conduct.”
New state training for media specialists warns them to “err on the side of caution” when approving books and warns that they can face criminal penalties and the loss of their teaching certificates, if they approve inappropriate books.
The new laws were approved by Florida’s Republican-dominated Legislature and signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2022 and 2023. They aim to protect children from inappropriate material and pornography and give parents better information on the books in their children’s schools and easier ways to challenge them ones they do not like.
State leaders pointed to several school library books they found offensive — among them “Gender Queer,” a comic-book style memoir by a non-binary author that included drawings of sex acts — as proof the laws were needed.
OCPS had five copies of the book in four of its high schools, and after a complaint two years ago, administrators determined “Gender Queer” was too graphic for school shelves and ordered it removed. That happened in the fall of 2021, before the new laws were passed. The book appeared on the list of 673 rejected titles, apparently because a teacher had a copy in a classroom library.
Florida’s new laws have fueled school book bans across the state, making Florida the national leader in books removed from public schools last school year, according to PEN America, a free speech and expression group. PEN America and other critics argue the book removals stem from some books being wrongly labeled as pornographic and the faulty assumption that any description of sexual conduct makes a book automatically inappropriate for high school students.
“This is yet another disastrous consequence of Florida’s disastrous education policies,” said Kasey Meehan, director of PEN America’s Freedom to Read project, in a statement. “Hundreds of books have now been removed from Orange County shelves under HB 1069, and we continue to be alarmed by the magnitude and scale of censorship following the implementation of this law.”
School districts across Florida have wrestled with reviewing books and handling book challenges, with the Hernando County school district even removing children’s picture books that showed cartoonish drawings of kids’ bare bottoms. The Escambia County school district this fall pulled about 1,400 books from its libraries — including works by Agatha Christie and Charles Dickens — to review for compliance with the new law, according a list obtained by the Freedom to Read Project, which opposes school book bans.
Orange school board member Alicia Farrant, a member of the conservative Moms for Liberty group that has pushed for books to be yanked from schools, ran for office last year promising to get rid of books she called offensive.
She was on stage with DeSantis when he signed HB 1467 in 2022, which increased scrutiny of school and classroom libraries and prompted the new rules for media specialists.
During the board’s discussion last week, she mentioned the book “No, David!,” one of the picture books pulled from Hernando schools, and said districts need to find “that happy medium” when it comes to books.
“We can’t be living in a state of fear and removing every single book,” Farrant said. “I don’t like the book,” she said of “No, David!,” by David Shannon, “but a book like that shouldn’t be removed because a kid is running down the street with his butt showing.”
But Farrant also blamed Castor Dentel and others on the board before her 2022 election for allowing books she found inappropriate, including those with “graphic sexual content” and “major cussing,” onto campuses.
“If you’re so frustrated, with the state having its nose in your stuff, maybe you should have been doing your job and making sure these books were not in our libraries,” she told Castor Dentel.
To comply with this year’s new law, OCPS began reviewing school and classroom library books over the summer, with the early rejection list alarming some teachers even before the new school year started.
Toni Morrison’s “Beloved” and Ralph Ellison’s “Invisible Man” as well as popular, turned-into-movies books like “Into the Wild,” and “The Fault in Our Stars” were early entries on the list and remain rejected.
“Depicts or describes sexual conduct (not allowed per HB 1069-2023),” read the explanation on the early rejection list, referencing the law DeSantis signed in May.
The list of 673 rejected classroom books was first obtained by the freedom to read group, founded by two Orange County mothers, and then confirmed by OCPS.
Stephana Ferrell, one of the group’s founders, said books shouldn’t be taken from schools because Farrant or someone else doesn’t like them.
“That‘s what a free society does. We leave books on the shelf even if we personally don’t agree with them,” Ferrell said.
But Superintendent Maria Vazquez said media specialists had no option but to take the state’s warnings seriously.
“If there is a challenge, it’s the media specialist’s certificate that is in jeopardy,” she said.
The district’s guidance to media specialists as the book reviews began in the summer warned them about what was at stake. “You are tasked with protecting your colleagues, yourself, and OCPS to ensure content being made available to students is in compliance with Florida Statutes,” it read.
Vazquez said the district wants staff to review the rejected books as quickly as possible, so some novels might be returned to classrooms. But, she said, “There’s hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of books, and they also have another job they are doing at the same time.”
Board member Angie Gallo urged the district to make the list of rejected books available on its website so residents can see it, and, if it bothers them, talk to state lawmakers.
“I think they’d be shocked,” Gallo said. “I know I was shocked when I saw the list.”
Vazquez said staff would try to do that early in 2024 and also update the board on the status of the books on the rejected list.
Gallo also said she understood that media specialists and district staff faced a “huge burden” reviewing so many books. “They’re doing the best they can to try to adhere to a law that is out there, and I appreciate them so much,” she said."
#20 Bueeeeno. ¿Ahora si?
#21 Debe ser que no...
#11: ¿Qué dudas alberga tu corazón?
#23 Falta informacion para poder hacernos una idea
. A ver si #20 puede adjuntar una enciclopedia entera y los 700 libros retirados (los textos, no solo los titulos), asi a lo mejor alguno empieza a ver la realidad 
, porque claro, solo con explicaciones, noticias, comentarios...es imposible saber nada
#41 Lee a #10 y #13. Lo han retirado de TODOS los niveles escolares, hasta de la High School. ¿Alguien de 16, 17 o 18 años no puede leer esos libros?
#49 sí, sí, por eso digo.. Se les va la flapa pero bien.... Más papistas que el Papa....
Recordemos que DeSantis era el de la dictadura woke y la guerra cultural.
#14 Se podría haber solucionado si la intención de la ley fuera proteger a los más pequeños de ese contenido. Pero la intención no es esa.
#15 La excusa es esa, el primer paso es ese. Pero todo el mundo sabe que no es el último. Nunca es el último.
#14 Para qué invertir pudiendo prohibir a todos con la excusa de proteger a los niños. Es más, la comparación con las pelis porno es desafortunada. No se trata de libros pornográficos. Prohíben cualquier libro donde haya una escena sexual, aunque sea muy secundaria para la trama, o una descripción de algo sobre la sexualidad humana, como ocurre en 1984 y Un mundo feliz, que yo leí con 13 o 14 años en una biblioteca escolar sin mayor problema. Prohíben cualquier libro donde se mencione la homosexualidad (aunque sea tangencialmente, por ejemplo, mencionando que Fulano está casado con Mengano). Y así todo.
#19 No como la Biblia, que no contiene asesinatos, genocidios, violaciones, etc. etc. etc. y que sí les permiten. Si es que manda cojones la cosa...
#34 https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-internacional-65795686
Creo que alguien troleó a los cristianos usando esa misma ley, o una similar, pero salieron los típicos interesados diciendo "es que no es lo mismo" y sólo la prohibieron en primaria
#6 A ver, todos los grados llevan la palabra school, elementary school, middle school y high school. Lo infiero por eso. No sé la razón por la que tú infieres lo contrario.
#13 Creo que tienes razón. Han debido retirarlos tanto de primaria como middle y high. Quizá se podría haber solucionado teniendo una sección de adolescentes en cada biblioteca y no dejando pasar a los más pequeños. Supongo que requiere cierta inversión, pero poder se puede. Como en los videoclubs de los 80 y 90 con las pelis porno. El encargado del videoclub siempre persiguiéndonos. Quizá hayan querido evitar esos esfuerzos en cuanto a reacondicionar las bibliotecas de tantas escuelas y encargar a alguien la vigilancia.
#14 ¿invertir en bibliotecas publicas? !!eso es de comunistas!!
#14 Es que tampoco quieren que los adolescentes lean nada relacionado con el sexo. Desantis quiere que los adolescentes follen entre ellos sin condón como toda la vida, prohibirles abortar y así tener una nueva generación de conservadores incultos que sigan votando a la derecha.
#4 Escuelas públicas se refiere al sistema educativo público, que es al que afecta la ley. No creo que tengan Juego de Tronos en un jardín de infancia.
#5 Entonces el titular es incorrecto. De todas formas ¿estás seguro o lo infieres?
Viva la libertad carajo!
Todavía hay gente que se cree que algunos defienden la libertad cuando en realidad defienden SU libertad
#9 Defienden la libertad del dinero, que no es la misma que la libertad de individuo, de hecho, una es incompatible con la otra
#9 Déjame decirte con claridad que la decisión de Florida es una medida necesaria para proteger a nuestros jóvenes de la sobreexposición a contenido inapropiado. ¡No podemos permitir que la educación de nuestros hijos se vea contaminada por material sexualmente explícito o pornografía! Esta acción garantiza que los estudiantes tengan un entorno de aprendizaje más seguro y respetuoso. En este sentido, se podría afirmar que esta medida está destinada a salvaguardar la libertad de los padres de decidir qué tipo de contenido es adecuado para sus hijos en el entorno escolar.
#45 La ley de Poe me está matando con tu comentario...
Hubo un tiempo en que los niños leíamos la colección del El Barco de Vapor. Antaño había libros para niños y libros para adultos. Eran otros tiempos… también teníamos obras de teatro infantiles sin drag queens. Y era muy difícil acceder a la pornografía. A veces lo lográbamos.
Por supuesto esos tiempos eran mucho peores que los actuales.
#2 A los colegios no van solo niños.
#3 El artículo habla de escuelas públicas. No habla de high school. En Gringolandia es un poco como en España, está la escuela pública y el instituto público. De hecho aparece el testimonio de un profe de primaria. A saber, con tanto sensacionalismo por parte de los medios no podemos saber fácilmente cuál es la realidad.
#2 Toma un positivo por el plot twist del final del comentario, jajajajaja.
#8 gracias, he tenido que buscar en internet qué era un plow twist ☺ ️
#12 tendría que haber puesto 'giro argumental'. Pero últimamente estoy leyendo mucho en inglés, libros sobre escritura literaria, de hecho, y se me pega el vocabulario a tal punto que me cuesta sacarlo en castellano a veces.
#72 Estoy contigo, pero he hecho un "plot twist" como comentaba #8
#72 la gracia está en que siempre se dice 'eran tiempos mejores', y aquí #76 ha roto los esquemas diciendo lo contrario a lo esperado.
Pero no eran mejores ni peores. Eran distintos.
#2 es verdad, es que "un mundo feliz" es un libro para personas adultas que ya puedan beber y todas esas cosas.
#17 la parte en la que habla de la relaciones sexuales empieza a parecerse inquietantemente a la actualidad. Creo que hay muchos chavalines que podrían no entender correctamente ese libro. Y más con los chavalines actuales, pobrecitos.
#19 creo que hemos leído libros bastante diferentes, la verdad sea dicha.
#17 Si no te drogas no se disfruta igual.
#17 hombre no es un libro pensado para crios y dudo mucho que un adolescente corriente pueda entenderlo bien pero de ahí a considerarlo pornografico o no adecuado..... Es un gran libro en todo caso y muy recomendable para gente con sentido crítico
#2 Y Salgari, Verne, Dumas, Ende
Pues sí, #2. Eran tiempos en los que los maricones de las películas eran los malos, enfermos, psicópatas o ridículos; cómo la mariquita florista o peluquera de las españoladas. Afortunadamente esos tiempos se han ido a pesar de que algunos salen a la calle a rezar el Rosario para que vuelvan.
#2 ¿Por qué eran tiempos peores? No creo que haya nada malo en todo lo que has escrito.
Me parece bien, si quieren una historia que se desarrolla a lo largo del siglo y termina como colofón con el golpe de estado a Allende que se lo pidan a la CIA
#7 Pues no conocía "La casa de los espíritus", pero viendo la reseña pinta bien! La leeré, gracias, Streisand!
#27 es una obra muy recomendable, y no te hago spoilers, pero tiene una aproximación curiosa al tema del golpe teniendo en cuenta que la autora es sobrina de Salvador Allende
#32 Otro datazo que desconocía. Gracias, Sensei!
#27 Es un novelón.
La película tampoco estuvo mal.
Vale que "La casa de los espíritus" es una fumada de historia: la colega con el pelo verde, que se queda callada porque sí y nosecuántos años más tarde habla para decir una gilipollez, cómo se puto obsesionan algunos personajes con otros hasta el delirio... Pero coño, sabiendo que es "realismo mágico" la novela es muy bonita.
¿Cómo vas a retirar eso?, ¡Ahhhh, claro, que habla de las mierdas que hacían los terratenientes en sus haciendas y de cómo el pueblo chileno se rebeló! Quita, quita la "comunistada" esa....
Ya ni en clase me dejan ir.
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Pues ya están tardando en retirar La Biblia, ...
... la cual (por lo que cuentan) NO está exenta de pasajes violentos, genocidas, libidinosos e incestuosos.
#31 ya lo han hecho en mucho sitios precisamente usando esa ley
#38 ¡Hmmm! ... Espero que así sea.
Lo último que yo había leído es que alguien había hecho una propuesta en ese sentido: Leyendo párrafos escabrosos de la biblia (pero sin decirles que era de la biblia) ante una junta escolar. Y que dicha juta se había mostrado partidaria de prohibir ese libro (antes de saber de que libro se trataba).
Pero como el artículo no fue más allá, di por hecho que al final habrían rechazado retirarlo.
Pero si de verdad estás en lo cierto y las están retirando, ... pues me alegro.
#31 pregunta: ¿tu metes en el mismo saco al locutor del telediario cuando tiene que dar una noticia de pornografía infantil y a los propios pornógrafos? ¿es lo mismo informar de que en una guerra hay violaciones que describir una con todo lujo de detalles recreándose en el acto y las sensaciones de los implicados? ¿es lo mismo decir que alguien mató a alguien reventándole la cabeza con una piedra que describir todos los detalles?
Y, por cierto, ¿juzgas desde tus gustos y estilo actuales un libro con más de 2000 años escrito según estilos de entonces y que en aquel tiempo no era escandaloso ni escabroso lo que relataba?
Porque la noticia precisamente está ahí porque la medida es alucinantemente absurda. Dice que libros de Agatha Christie han sido retirados también. ¿Por describir una muerte? Pues no se recreaba en detalles sórdidos, era una señora, una un poco retorcida, pero con estilo. Y tema pornográfico en sus obras, que yo recuerde, cero.
#44 El segundo párrafo de tu comentario me ha traído a la mente unas declaraciones (de hace unos meses) en las que un obispo venía a decir que 'no le parecía justo que se juzgasen delitos de pederastia ocurridos hace 40 años (ó más) empleando el código penal actual (que en su opinión es demasiado duro). Dado que en el pasado esos delitos no estaban tan penados ni tan perseguidos' ... y se quedaba tan pancho el tipo.
Como si fuese menos malo violar y destruir la vida de un niño/a antes que ahora.
#54 pues siento haber dado esa impresión, no era la idea para nada. Me refería al uso de alguna expresión que hoy nos resulte un poco más brusca de la cuenta, por ejemplo, mencionar que se "degolló" a los enemigos en lugar de "ejecutó". Pero era una expresión normal entonces, aunque hoy alguien puede ponerse a imaginar y pensar que es demasiado cruel o descriptivo.
Si describe algo de forma morbosa o cruel, use el estilo que use, es lo que es. No es lo mismo decir que "tuvieron coito y engendraron un hijo" que describir la escena con todos los detalles, uses lenguaje muy formal o muy vulgar. Y esa es la parte de la que no se le puede acusar.
Por cierto ese obispo está excusando una salvajada cruel y repugnante que se corresponde con un deseo pervertido y retorcido y demuestra la talla moral de una confesión religiosa que lleva años tapando y excusando esa clase de aberraciones morales.
#54 Antes que nada, no se puede juzgar un delito de hace 40 años con las leyes actuales, así que eso no tiene sentido. Siempre se aplica el código penal vigente, y solo si fuera más favorable, el actual. Si mal no recuerdo en ese caso se trataba de que no le juzgaran moralmente con mentalidad actual por algo que pasó hace 40 años.
En todo caso, no creo que tenga mucho que ver con el comentario original, y menos con diferencias culturales (o de años) mucho más grandes.
Pero lo que preocupa a muchos es la dictadura woke que no saben ni lo que es, pero su youtuber favorito les ha dicho que es muy malo maloso.
Resulta hasta enternecedor que esos políticos ultra-conservadores y cristo-nazis den por hecho que los niños leen libros como quien respira.
Cuando la realidad es que el niño/a medio no te abre un libro a menos que le insistas mucho, o que le obligues (le amenaces con algún tipo de castigo si no lo hace).
El niño/a medio siempre preferirá emplear su tiempo en jugar y socializar con otros niños/as.
Y luego están los niños/as excepcionales (que se salen de la media) y que devoran libros sin que nadie les obligue. Por el simple placer y necesidad de aprender, descubrir y obtener respuestas sobre el mundo que les rodea.
Y en general, por esos niños tampoco hay que preocuparse, (siempre y cuando su ingesta de libros resulte variada).
Pues yo leí la casa de los espíritus en mi época estudiantil y no recuerdo nada "porno". No sé, se les está yendo la pinza con esto... Cuando eres joven omites muchas cosas o las entiendes diferente. No suele haber problema, el problema se ve que lo estamos creando nosotros de manera artificial.
#26 creo que el problema viene más de que no quieren que los críos yankees sepan sobre chile, Allende, etc, es antiamericano educarte sobre las tropelías que comete el gobierno americano en otros países, ya sabes.
#37 pfff, entiendo el punto pero no lo comparto. Siendo menor lees libros pero no pillas las cosas como un adulto. Para muestra, un botón, en la película de los gremlins dicen que papa noel no existe y yo jamás escuché eso, o lo entendí. Me pasó de adulto cuando le puse la película al chaval. Mi cara un poema, y el chaval sin más. Por eso digo que estamos trasladando ideas de adultos a los niños y no es para nada lo mismo.
#26 No creo que fuera pornográfico, pero sí había escenas de sexo, en particular eran habituales las violaciones. De hecho creo que la primera escena sexual es como la protagonista (primera generación) ve como un médico se follaba al cadaver de su hermana muerta.
"Fetiche nuevo desbloquesado: Necrofilia"
#59 en serio!?. Te juro que me leí el libro en mi edad puber y no pillé nada entonces
#60 Lo he buscado por si acaso no lo recordaba bien, supongo que puedes dejarlo como sutil o interpretable, pero algo negrofilia hay. Me retracto en lo que se lo follaba #59, no lo recordaba bien.
Clara, inmóvil sobre el cajón, no pudo dejar de mirar hasta el final. Se
quedó atisbando por la rendija mucho rato, helándose sin darse cuenta, hasta
que los dos hombres terminaron de vaciar a Rosa, de inyectarle líquido por las
venas y bañarla por dentro y por fuera con vinagre aromático y esencia de
espliego. Se quedó hasta que la rellenaron con emplastos de embalsamador y
la cosieron con una aguja curva de colchonero. Se quedó hasta que el doctor
Cuevas se lavó en el fregadero y se enjugó las lágrimas, mientras el otro
limpiaba la sangre y las vísceras. Se quedó hasta que el médico salió
poniéndose su chaqueta negra con un gesto de mortal tristeza. Se quedó hasta
que el joven desconocido besó a Rosa en los labios, en el cuello, en los senos,
entre las piernas, la lavó con una esponja, le puso su camisa bordada y le
acomodó el pelo, jadeando.
Parte del Ultimo párrafo del cápitulo I.
#62 juas!. Vaya mente perversa 😂
#69 #62 aunque releyendo, te juro que yo no entendí ninguna perversión ahí. Ahora de mayor, igual..... Ejem
#74 Bueno, tampoco soy embalsamador... qué quieres que te diga, igual besar las partes del cadaver es el procedimiento habitual.
Sí es verdad que la memoria y el tiempo me ha hecho exagerarlo, pero en su momento su momento de que es un abuso sobre el cadaver.
#75 juas!. Pues claramente leímos el libro con diferentes orientaciones
#60 Yo tuve que leer "Los santos inocentes" en el instituto, y en el trabajo posterior puse que la "milana bonita" era la mujer de Azarías. Tenía que haber sido más listo y haber visto la peli en vez de leer el libro sin ganas y sin enterarme de una mierda.
#65
Esta peña va a terminar tan tarumba como los Israelís. Se puede palpar la violencia en el ambiente.
#53 va a terminar? Je, je
Me parece bien. Nadie iba a leerlos salvo obligados, y ahora al menos los incel rojillos leerán Un Mundo Feliz, a ver si les ayuda a ligar.
Estos beatos leen "Tirant Lo Blanc", que al menos en Catalunya hace años era de los libros que se leían en la ESO y les explota la
pollacabeza.Pensaba que hablaba de un pueblucho gobernado por Vox.
Teta NO, Bala SÍ
#43 Esta imagen sería baneada en redes sociales si no tuviera una pistola...
#51 ceci n'est pas une pipe (pero si no estuviera la pipa la imagen daría para paja)
Celebro con entusiasmo la decisión de las autoridades de Florida de censurar libros considerados pornográficos. La exposición a contenido sexual explícito a una edad temprana puede tener efectos negativos en el desarrollo cognitivo y emocional de los estudiantes. La educación debe centrarse en promover valores sólidos y cultivar la mente joven con información que sea apropiada para su edad. ¡Protejamos a la juventud de los peligros de la literatura que podría desviarlos del camino de la moralidad y la rectitud! ¡Bien hecho, autoridades de Florida!
Madrid, la "nueva Miami"... España, la "nueva Florida"...
¿cuánto tiempo hasta que estás "cositas" lleguen aquí?
#28 ¿Perdón?
https://cadenaser.com/cmadrid/2023/12/26/ciempozuelos-programara-en-mayo-la-obra-de-teatro-censurada-en-quintanar-de-la-orden-por-sus-escenas-en-ropa-interior-ser-madrid-sur/
#36 igualito
la transgresión de mostrar a zanguangos en calzoncillos... y mostrar una obra como "Un mundo feliz" que hace un retrato feroz y descarnado de nuestra sociedad capitalista actual
La ignorancia de los niños hará que de mayores voten a Trump.
Es que Florida ya es un mundo feliz.
La cosa es que me de la impresión de que de alguna manera quitando libros de las manos de los niños les están poniendo armas de fuego a algunos. La ignorancia, estupidez y violencia suelen darse a la vez.
Sea como sea, esto es jugar al juego que ponen los poderosos, que lo que les gusta es que todo esté ordenadito, ellos allí arriba y el resto que sea pisoteable. Si alguno de estos muere tiroteado, pues mala suerte para el finado y a seguir.
Nos vamos a la mierda.
#61 No creas. Creo que es una idea genial. Esta lista de libros prohibidos es una lista de honor de los libros mas recomendables para leer.